anna.melb_AU said:The honest answer is that the effect is real, the magnitude is contested, and the individual variation is larger than either.
That is right, and it stops being right at the edges. The general case is well behaved; the interesting cases in this thread are all at the boundary where the general case breaks.
amy_econ_NJ said:Agreed, with a caveat about community reputation: it is a lagging indicator.
Saving this. It is the first explanation that did not require me to already understand it. I will report back once I have actually tried it.
anna.melb_AU said:The honest answer is that the effect is real, the magnitude is contested, and the individual variation is larger than either.
Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. Pushing back on the anecdote-stacking. Twenty people reporting the same thing is twenty samples from the same self-selected pool, not twenty independent confirmations.
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Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. Tagging this one for the weekly digest.