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Has anyone dealt with week 3 update - feeling like garbage tbh?

PurityPaulOR Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM 10 replies 1,683 viewsPage 2 of 2
JessicaH_TX
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Nov 24, 2024 at 6:36 AM#6
BethLabQueen said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Pushing back on BethLabQueen here. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

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Dr.AddMedPHL
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Nov 24, 2024 at 7:27 AM#7
I keep finding that the number in the press summary and the number in the paper are not the same number, and the difference is always in the same…
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to antihypertensives for stroke reduction. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Nov 24, 2024 at 8:18 AM#8
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.73 (95% CI 0.65-0.88), I²=46%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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Nov 24, 2024 at 9:09 AM#9

Following on from Dr.RaviCardio — and this may be the naive question:

Was that from a primary source or from a summary of one?

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Nov 24, 2024 at 1:14 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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